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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of TalkCast Discovery, the podcast where we go off
大家好，欢迎收看另一期 TalkCast Discovery，在这个播客节目中我们将深入
the map and deep into the world.
地图之外，深入探索这个世界。
I am your host, Sarah.
我是你们的主持人，萨拉。
Have you ever visited a place where water isn't just a part of the landscape, but the very pulse of
你是否曾去过这样一个地方，那里的水不仅仅是风景的一部分，更是
daily life?
日常生活的脉搏？
Today, we are traveling to a city in eastern China that is defined by this beautiful element.
今天，我们要去中国东部的一座城市，这座城市被这个美丽的元素所定义。
It is a city where clear springs bubble up under cobblestone streets and weeping willows drape
这是一座清澈的泉水在鹅卵石街道下涌出，垂柳
gracefully over old stone canals.
优雅地垂悬在古老石质运河之上的城市。
We are talking about Jinan, the capital of Shandong province, famously known as the City of Springs.
我们谈论的是济南，山东省的省会，以泉城闻名。
To help us navigate this watery wonderland, I am absolutely delighted to welcome Daniel to the show.
为了帮助我们探索这个水上仙 境，我非常高兴地欢迎丹尼尔来到节目中。
Daniel is a cultural researcher and travel writer who lived in Jinan for nearly eight years,
丹尼尔是一位文化研究员和旅行作家，他在济南生活了近八年，
studying its unique urban layout and local history.
研究其独特的城市布局和地方历史。
Welcome to the show, Daniel.
欢迎来到节目，丹尼尔。
Thank you so much for having me, Sarah.
非常感谢邀请我，萨拉。
It is a real pleasure to be here.
这真是莫大 的荣幸。
Whenever I think about Jinan, I instantly hear the sound of running water.
每当我想起济南，我就会立刻听到流水的声音。
You know, there is a very famous Chinese saying about Jinan that goes, which translates to, Living
你知道的，关于济南有一句非常著名的中国俗语，翻译过来就是，生活
there felt like living in a traditional Chinese ink painting.
在那里感觉就像生活在传统的中国水墨画中。
The connection between the people and the natural springs is so deep and intimate.
人与自然泉水之间的联系是如此深厚和亲密。
I can't wait to share some of that magic with your listeners today.
我迫不及待地想今天与你的听众分享一些这样的魔力。
Oh, that saying is so poetic.
哦，这句话太有诗意了。
It paints such a vivid picture right away.
它立刻勾勒出一幅如此生动的画面。
Before we dive into the culture, I have to ask about the science behind this.
在我们深入了解其文化之前，我必须问问这背后的科学原理。
Jinan is famous for having 72 named springs and actually hundreds of smaller ones.
济南以拥有 72 处著名泉水而闻名，实际上还有数百处较小的泉水。
How on earth did one city end up with so many natural springs?
一个城市究竟怎么会有这么多天然泉水？
What is the geological story here?
这里的地质故事是什么？
It is actually a fascinating geological coincidence.
这其实是一个迷人的地质巧合。
To the south of Jinan, you have the magnificent Mount Thai, a massive limestone mountain range.
在济南南部，有雄伟的泰山，这是一座庞大的石灰岩山脉。
Over millions of years, rainwater and snowmelt have seeped deep into this limestone, dissolving the
数百万年来，雨水和融雪渗入这片石灰岩深处，溶解了
rock and creating vast underground rivers.
岩石并形成了巨大的地下河。
This water flows downhill, heading north toward the Yellow River.
这些水向山下流淌，向北朝黄河方向流去。
But right underneath the city of Jinan, the water hits a solid wall of igneous rock, which is
但就在济南市下方，水流撞上了一堵坚固的火成岩墙，这堵墙
completely impermeable.
是完全不透水的。
Because the water cannot go forward, and the pressure from Mount Thai keeps pushing from behind, the
由于水无法向前推进，且来自泰山的压力从后面不断推动，
water has no choice but to burst upward through the cracks in the limestone.
水别无选择，只能通过石灰岩的裂缝向上 喷涌而出。
That is why you have these incredible, crystal clear artesian springs bubbling up all over the city.
这就是为什么全城到处都有这些不可思议的、清澈见底的自流泉在冒泡。
It is like a giant, natural, underground plumbing system designed by nature itself.
这就像是由大自然亲自设计的一个巨大的、天然的地下管道系统。
That is incredible.
这太不可思议了。
So the mountains and the river basically work together to create this high -pressure water system
所以山脉和河流基本上共同作用，创造了这个高压水系统
right under the city's feet.
就在城市脚下。
I understand the most famous of these springs is the Bautou Spring.
据我了解，这些泉中最著名的是趵突泉。
What was your first reaction when you saw it?
当你看到它时的第一反应是什么？
Does it really live up to the hype?
它真的不负宣传吗？
Oh, absolutely.
哦，绝对是这样。
Bautou Spring is often called the number one spring under heaven.
趵突泉常被称为天下第一泉。
When you first walk into the park, you hear this low, continuous murmuring sound.
当你第一次走进公园时，你会听到这种低沉而连续的潺潺声。
When you reach the pool, you see three massive outlets of water constantly churning and gushing up
当你到达水池时，你会看到三个巨大的出水口，水流不断地翻腾和喷涌
from the deep.
从深处涌出。
It looks like boiling water, but it is actually cool and incredibly pure.
它看起来像开水，但实际上它很凉爽且极其纯净。
In the winter, because the spring water maintains a constant temperature of about 18 degrees
在冬天，因为泉水保持着大约 18 度的恒温
Celsius, steam rises from the surface of the pool.
摄氏度下，池面升起袅袅蒸气。
Walking there on a cold morning feels like stepping into a fairy tale, with misty vapors floating
在一个寒冷的早晨漫步在那里，感觉就像走进了一个童话故事，迷雾蒸腾漂浮
over the jade green water and ancient pavilions reflecting on the surface.
碧绿的水面上，古老的亭台倒映在水面。
Oh wow, that sounds absolutely mesmerizing.
哦哇，听起来绝对是令人着迷的。
I can almost smell the fresh, misty air.
我几乎能闻到那清新、蒙蒙的空气。
It makes complete sense that a place with such natural beauty would inspire artists and writers.
一个拥有如此自然美景的地方会激发艺术家和作家的灵感，这是完全合乎情理的。
Janan has a very rich literary history, doesn't it?
济南有着非常丰富的文学历史，不是吗？
Who are some of the historical figures associated with these waters?
有哪些历史人物与这些水域相关？
You are spot on, Sarah.
你说得很准，萨拉。
Water has always been the muse of Janan.
水一直是济南的灵感女神。
The city was the home of Li Qingzhao, who is widely considered the greatest female poet in Chinese history.
这座城市是李清照的故乡，她被广泛认为是中国历史上最伟大的女诗人。
She lived during the Song Dynasty.
她生活在宋朝。
Her poetry is filled with delicate, watery imagery, rowing boats through lotus flowers, listening to
她的诗歌充满了精致的水乡意象，划着船穿过荷花，聆听
the rain on banana leaves, and the gentle sorrow of autumn.
芭蕉听雨，以及秋天温柔的悲伤。
There is another famous warrior poet from the same era, named Xin Qiji.
同一时代还有另一位著名的武将诗人，名叫辛弃疾。
These two literary giants represent the dual nature of Janan's culture, the soft, elegant beauty of
这两位文学巨匠代表了济南文化的双重性质，柔和优雅的美
the water and the strong, heroic spirit of the mountains.
水以及山峦坚强、英勇的精神。
Later, during the Qing Dynasty, the famous novelist Leo S.
后来，在清朝，著名小说家刘鹗...
wrote about Janan in his book, The Travels of Lao Kahn.
在他的书《老残游记》中写到了济南。
He described the unique sight of walking through the city streets and hearing the gurgling of
他描述了走在城市街道上听到泉水潺潺...
springs everywhere.
到处都是泉水。
That is beautiful.
那太美了 。
You know, it reminds me of an essay we often read in school by the modern writer Lao Xie, titled
你知道，这让我想起我们在学校经常读的一篇现代作家老舍的文章，题为
Winter in Jinan.
济南的冬天。
He wrote so lovingly about how the surrounding hills cradle the city like a warm, cozy bed, keeping
他深情地写道，周围的山丘如何像一张温暖舒适的床一样拥抱着这座城市，保持
the winter mild and the waters green.
冬天的温和和水的常绿。
It seems Jinan has this unique ability to make people feel safe and relaxed.
似乎济南有一种让人感到安全和放松的独特能力。
Lao Xie absolutely captured the soul of Jinan.
老谢完全捕捉到了济南的灵魂。
He lived there in the 1930s, and he fell in love with its gentle character.
他在20世纪30年代在那里生活，并爱上了它温和的性格。
And that gentleness is still visible today in the local lifestyle.
这种温柔在当今的当地生活方式中仍然可见。
Unlike the fast -paced, high -stress environments of Beijing or Shanghai, Jinan has always maintained
与北京或上海快节奏、高压的环境不同，济南一直保持着
a slower, more deliberate rhythm.
更慢、更从容的节奏。
And that rhythm is entirely dictated by the water.
而这种节奏完全由水所决定。
If you want to see the true heart of Jinan, you have to leave the modern shopping malls and head
如果你想看济南真正的核心，你必须离开现代的购物中心，前往
into the old city alleys, especially around a place called Kuxueiting Street.
老城区的小巷，尤其是围绕着一个叫曲水亭街的地方。
Ah, Kuxueiting Street.
啊，曲水亭街。
I have seen photos of that area.
我见过那个地区的照片。
It looks like a water town right in the middle of a bustling modern city.
它看起来就像一个熙熙攘攘的现代城市中间的水乡。
Tell us what it is like to walk down that street.
给我们讲讲走在那条街上是什么感觉。
What do you see and hear?
你看到了什么，听到了什么？
It is like stepping back in time.
这就像是时光倒流。
On Kuxueiting Street, you walk along a narrow stone canal.
在曲水亭街，你沿着一条狭窄的石头运河漫步。
On one side of the canal are traditional gray brick courtyard houses, and on the other side are
运河的一侧是传统的青砖四合院，另一侧是
beautiful weeping willows whose branches gently brush the water's surface.
美丽的垂柳，它们的枝条轻轻拂过水面。
What makes this place so special is that it is not a dead museum.
这个地方如此特殊的原因在于它不是一个死气沉沉的博物馆。
It is a living neighborhood.
这是一个充满生机的社区。
You will see elderly residents sitting on low wooden stools under the shade of the willows, playing
你会看到老年居民坐在柳荫下的低矮木凳上，下着
Chinese chess, or just chatting.
中国象棋，或者只是在聊天。
Some people might be washing vegetables in the crystal -clear spring water flowing right past their
有些人可能在清澈见底的泉水中洗菜，泉水径直流过他们的
doorsteps, while others are fetching water in big plastic jugs.
家门口，而另一些人则用大塑料壶打水。
Wait, they wash their vegetables and actually fetch drinking water from the same canals?
等等，他们洗菜和饮用水竟然是从同一条运河里取出来的吗？
Is the water really that clean?
这水真的有那么干净吗？
It really is.
它的确如此。
The water flows directly from the underground aquifers, so it is naturally filtered and incredibly pure.
水直接从地下蓄水层流出，因此经过了天然过滤，纯净无比。
One of my favorite local traditions is fetching water at Black Tiger Spring, which is not far from
我最喜欢的一个当地传统是在黑虎泉取水，这里离……不远
Kuxueiting Street.
奎虚书斋街。
Black Tiger Spring has three stone tiger heads carved into a cliff, and water roars out of their
黑虎泉有三个在悬崖上雕刻出的石虎头，水从它们的
mouths into a large stone basin.
口中汹涌而出，流入一个大石盆中。
Every single day, rain or shine, you will see thousands of local citizens lined up with empty water
每一天，无论风雨，你都会看到成千上万的当地市民排着队，拿着空水
bottles, thermoses, and even giant five -gallon jugs.
瓶、保温杯，甚至还有五加仑的大水桶。
They fill them up with the fresh spring water, carry them home on their bicycles, and use it to brew tea.
他们用新鲜的泉水装满这些容器，用自行车带回家，然后用它来泡茶。
That is amazing.
这太神奇了。
I can't imagine a more organic connection to nature.
我无法想象还有比这更天然的与大自然的联系了。
Drinking tea brewed with fresh, local spring water must taste incredibly different.
用新鲜的本地泉水泡出来的茶，喝起来一定极其不同。
Did you try it?
你尝过了吗？
Oh, many times.
哦，很多次了。
There is a local custom called Da Wan Cha, which means big bowl tea.
有一个当地的习俗叫“大碗茶”，意思就是大碗茶。
You can find little tea stalls set up along the springs.
你可以发现泉水沿岸设有很多小茶摊。
They brew local jasmine tea using the boiling spring water and serve it in these large, simple
他们用煮沸的泉水冲泡当地的茉莉花茶，并用这些大而朴素的
porcelain bowls.
瓷碗盛着。
It costs almost nothing, just a few cents.
它几乎不花什么钱，只要几分钱。
You sit on a bamboo chair, listen to the cicadas in the trees, watch the water flow, and sip this
你坐在竹椅上，听着树上的蝉鸣，看着流水，品尝着这
hot, aromatic tea.
热腾腾、芳香的茶。
The water is naturally sweet and incredibly soft, which really brings out the floral fragrance of
水天然甘甜，极其柔和，这真正引出了茉莉的芬芳
the jasmine.
茉莉。
It is the ultimate Janan experience.
这是终极的济南体验。
It teaches you that happiness doesn't have to be expensive.
它教导你，幸福不必那么昂贵。
It just requires you to slow down and appreciate the present moment.
它只是需要你慢下来，去体会当下这一刻。
That sounds so peaceful.
听起来真是太宁静了。
I think in our busy modern lives, we all need a bit of that big bowl tea philosophy.
我想在我们忙碌的现代生活中，我们都需要一点那种大碗茶的哲学。
Now, speaking of taste, we can't talk about Shandong without mentioning Lu cuisine, which is one of
好了，说到口味，我们谈到山东就不能不提鲁菜，它是
the four great traditional cuisines of China.
中国四大传统菜系之一。
How does the spring water influence the local food in Janan?
泉水是如何影响济南当地食物的呢？
Lu cuisine is famous for its savory, salty flavors and its incredible soup broths.
鲁菜以其咸香的风味和令人难以置信的汤底闻名。
In Janan, the chefs are masters of using spring water to create delicate, clear broths, which they
在济南，厨师们是利用泉水制作精致清汤的大师，他们称之为
call tiao tang.
称之为“吊汤”。
One legendary dish you must try is the sweet and sour carp from the Yellow River.
你必须尝试的一道传奇菜就是黄河糖醋鲤鱼。
The fish is caught fresh, sliced in a special way so it looks like it is jumping, fried to a golden
这条鱼是鲜活捕获的，用一种特殊的方式切片，使其看起来像是在跳跃，炸至金黄
crisp, and then drenched in a rich, sweet, and tangy sauce made with local vinegar and spring water.
酥脆，然后浇上用当地醋和泉水做成的浓郁酸甜酱汁。
The contrast between the crispy skin, the tender fish meat, and the rich sauce is spectacular.
酥脆的鱼皮、鲜嫩的鱼肉与浓郁的酱汁之间的对比真是绝妙。
There is also another dish called Jujuan Dachang, or Nine Folded Intestants, which is a masterpiece
还有另一道菜叫九转大肠，或者九叠大肠，这是复杂风味的杰作
of complex, sweet, sour, bitter, spicy, and savory flavors.
复杂、酸、甜、苦、辣、咸香的各种味道。
It really shows the culinary depth of the region.
它真正展现了该地区的烹饪深度。
Mmm, you are making me very hungry, Daniel.
嗯，你把我都说饿了，丹尼尔。
A perfectly crispy, sweet, and sour fish sounds divine.
一条外酥里嫩、酸甜可口的鱼听起来太棒了。
Now, beyond the springs, Janan also has another major watery landmark, Da Ming Lake.
好了，除了泉水，济南还有另一个主要的水上地标——大明湖。
I hear it has a very famous legend connected to the royal family.
我听说它有一个与皇室有关的非常著名的传说。
Can you tell us about that?
你能给我们讲讲那个吗？
Ah, yes.
啊，是的。
Da Ming Lake is the place where all the city's springs eventually gather.
大明湖是这座城市所有的泉水最终汇聚的地方。
It is a massive, beautiful lake, covered in lotus leaves and surrounded by weeping willows.
这是一个巨大而美丽的小湖，上面覆满了荷叶，四周环绕着垂柳。
The legend you are referring to is about Emperor Qianlong of the Qing Dynasty.
你提到的那个传说是关于清朝的乾隆皇帝的。
According to popular folklore, when Qianlong was traveling through Janan, he visited Da Ming Lake
根据大众民间传说，当乾隆游历济南时，他参观了大明湖
and met a beautiful, highly educated local woman named Xia Yuhu.
并结识了一位美丽且受过良好教育的当地女子，名叫夏雨荷。
They fell in love, but the emperor eventually had to return to Beijing, leaving her behind.
他们坠入爱河，但皇帝最终不得不返回北京，将她留在了 身后。
This story became incredibly famous all across Asia because of a wildly popular television drama
这个故事在全亚洲变得难以置信地著名，因为一部极其受欢迎的电视剧
called My Fair Princess.
名叫《还珠格格》。
Today, if you visit the lake, you can see the rain -setting pavilion, which is said to be the place
今天，如果你参观这个湖，你可以看到雨荷亭，据说这就是那个地方
where they met.
他们在这里相遇。
It adds a wonderful layer of romance and nostalgia to the lake's natural beauty.
它为这湖泊的自然美景增添了一层美妙的浪漫与怀旧色彩。
I love how history, folklore, and pop culture all blend together in these places.
我喜欢历史、民间传说和流行文化如何在这些地方融合在一起。
It makes exploring them so much more rewarding.
这使得探索它们变得更加有意义。
But as a modern city of over 9 million people, Janan must face significant challenges in preserving
但作为一座拥有900多万人口的现代城市，济南在保护方面面临着重大挑战
these ancient springs and traditional ways of life.
这些古老的泉水和传统的生存方式。
How does the city balance rapid modernization with ecological protection?
这座城市如何平衡快速现代化与生态保护？
That is indeed the biggest challenge Janan faces today.
这确实是济南今天面临的最大挑战。
In the late 20th century, rapid industrialization and heavy water consumption actually caused some
在20世纪后期，快速的工业化和大量的水资源消耗实际上导致了一些
of the springs to stop flowing for several years.
泉水停止流淌长达几年。
It was a wake -up call for the entire city.
这对整个城市来说是一个警钟。
A city of springs without flowing water would lose its very soul.
一个没有流水的泉城将失去它的灵魂。
Fortunately, the government and local communities took drastic action.
幸运的是，政府和当地社区采取了果断的行动。
They set up strict ecological protection zones around the southern hills where the rainwater
他们在雨水为地下水层补给的南部山丘周围设立了严格的生态保护区
recharges the underground water tables.
补充地下水位。
They also limited groundwater extraction and carefully planned the city's modern infrastructure,
他们还限制了地下水开采并精心规划了城市的现代基础设施，
including the subway system.
包括 地铁系统。
Building a subway in Janan was incredibly difficult because they had to make sure the tunnels would
在济南建地铁极其困难，因为他们必须确保隧道不会
not block or pollute the underground spring channels.
阻塞或污染地下泉水通道。
Today, thanks to these efforts, the springs have been flowing continuously for over 20 years.
今天 ，多亏了这些努力，泉水已经持续流淌了20多年。
There is also a major push to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status for Janan's spring cultural landscape.
目前还在大力推动为济南的泉水文化景观申请联合国教科文组织世界遗产地位。
That is so heartening to hear.
听到这个真是令人鼓舞。
It shows that progress doesn't have to come at the expense of heritage and nature.
这表明进步不一定以牺牲遗产和自然为代价。
It requires creative engineering and a deep respect for history.
这需要有创造性的工程技术和对历史的深切尊重。
Looking back at your eight years in Janan, what is the one memory or feeling that stays with you the most?
回首你在济南的八年，最让你印象深刻的记忆或感受是什么？
It is definitely the quiet summer evenings.
那绝对是宁静的夏夜。
I used to walk down to the moat that surrounds the old city.
我过去常常走到环绕老城的护城河边。
The water in the moat is entirely fed by the springs, so it is cool and clear.
护城河里的水完全由泉水补给，所以它清凉而清澈。
The city has built a beautiful public park along the moat.
这座城市沿着护城河修建了一个美丽的公共公园。
As the sun sets, the willows sway in the gentle breeze, and the lanterns start to light up.
当太阳下山时，柳树在轻柔的微风中摇曳，灯笼开始亮起。
You see families walking together, children dipping their feet in the cool spring water, and street
你会看到一家人一起散步，孩子们把脚浸入清凉的泉水中，还有街头
musicians playing traditional Chinese instruments.
音乐家们演奏着传统的中国乐器。
There is an overwhelming sense of peace and harmony.
有一种无比的和平与和谐感。
Harmony between nature and humanity, and harmony between the past and the present.
自然与人类之间的和谐，以及过去与现在的和谐。
That, to me, is the true spirit of Janan.
对我来说，这才是济南真正的精神。
That is a beautiful note to end on, Daniel.
这是一个美丽的结束基调，丹尼尔。
Thank you so much for taking us on this wonderful journey through the sights, sounds, and flavors of Janan.
非常感谢你带领我们进行了一场美妙的旅程，领略济南的风光、声音和风味。
You have truly made us feel the cool splash of the spring water and the gentle rustle of the willows.
你确实让我们感受到了泉水的清凉溅落和柳树温柔的沙沙声。
It was my absolute pleasure, Sarah.
这是我绝对的荣幸，萨拉。
I hope your listeners will get a chance to visit Janan and experience its unique charm for themselves.
我希望你的听众有机会去济南，亲身体验它独特的魅力。
Well, dear listeners, we have come to the end of today's journey.
好吧，亲爱的听众们，我们今天的旅程到此结束了。
But the conversation doesn't stop here.
但对话并未在此停止。
Based on our wonderful chat today, we have an interesting question for you.
基于我们今天非常精彩的聊天，我们为您准备了一个有趣的问题。
If you could visit Jinan, which of the springs or scenic spots we talked about would you visit
如果您可以游 览济南，在我们谈论的泉水或风景名胜中，您会去参观
first, and why?
哪一个，以及为什么？
Would it be the powerful Bautu Spring, the roaring Black Tiger Spring, or the peaceful canals of
是气势磅礴的趵突泉、咆哮的黑虎泉，还是宁静的运河
Kyushuting Street?
九狮亭街？
Write down your answers in the comments section below, or check out what other listeners are saying.
请在下方的评论区写下您的答案，或者看看其他听众都在说些什么。
If you enjoyed this episode and want to support our cultural explorations, please consider joining
如果您喜欢这期节目并希望支持我们的文化探索，请考虑加入
the TalkCast membership.
TalkCast会员。
Don't forget to subscribe, share this episode with your friends, and leave us a review.
别忘了订阅，将这期节目分享给您的朋友，并给我们留个评价。
Also, please tell us in the comments which city or cultural topic you would like us to explore in
另外，请在评论区告诉我们，您希望我们在接下来的节目中探讨哪个城市或文化话题
our next episode.
我们下一期的节目。
I will be looking through your suggestions to choose our next destination.
我会仔细查看您的建议来选择我们的下一个目的地。
Thank you so much for listening to TalkCast Discovery.
非常感谢收听 TalkCast 发现频道。
Keep exploring, stay curious, and see you next time.
保持探索，保持好奇，我们下期见。
